Re: ahmed rajeh on life.
Hi Ahmed.
Thankyou for exercising your option to write a properly written appeal on the forums, to dispute the 2 week temporary ban that you received from me earlier today/yesterday. What follows is an assessment of your offense versus the rules, followed by a line by line rebuttal of the following points you make.
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Section 1: The Offense Committed
You exploited a loophole/glitch/mistake or "hole" as you like to term it, to earn money in the economy, over 200k.
I will now proceed to cross-reference this offense, with relevant parts of the rules that I believe that you have breached:
Breach 1: Server Rules that were in effect from August 18 - January 5:
3. No Economy Abuse
- You can not profit solely by exploiting loopholes in the pricing system. This mean you can't buy stuff from the supermarket, craft/smelt/break it and/or sell it back to the Supermarket and generate the profit.
Clearly what you did was in breach of this specific rule here. You exploited the bug in the system and profited off it. Irespective of whether or not you informed a staff member, You are liable for your crime committed against this offense. While this rule was no longer in force when you committed your actions, it would have been the rules when you joined the server. Even without reading this rule in detail, by glancing over the outline ont he forums or, looking at the infocenter (Which pressure plates at spawn prompt you to do), you would have seen the words "No Economy Abuse". This is also still up in the infocenter.
Breach 2: Server Rules Currnetly in Effect - Rule All Worlds 7
7. No abusing bugs or glitches
- Report any ways that seem too easy to make money for the time spent to Moderators/Admins
- Exploiting issues with plugins that let you do things you are not allowed to do is not allowed.
This clearly is a system where is seems to easy to make money for time spent. It clearly says here to report to Moderator/Admin, which the user did not do. These rules were in effect when he committed the offense, but were clearly not followed. Standing at a sign, making $30 for just right-clicking a couple of signs.
Breach 3: Moral Obligation
I would also claim that the user has a moral obligation to not exploit it, and rather report it to a Admin/moderator. Not only does that make the game fairer for everyone else, but it ensures you don't cheat yourself from the challenge and achievement of gaining money. The fact that you continue to take any responsibility for it and continue to blame it on the fact that a mistake was there is morally wrong. The Supermarket is provided as a privilege, to provide users with a means and a way to resources that they might normally have got. It is a benefit provided for all users and players on the server. The abuse of this should be looked down on as being disdainful and a breach of the privilege provided. I, the person who made the mistake of mis-writing the sign is human, and you knew as well as anybody that that was a mistake. Report it and take the honorable course instead of exploiting it. You would also have received a $10,000 bonus for reporting it if you were honest, but instead you chose not to.
User breached rules under both the new and old systems, as well as arguably a moral obligation to report this for the benefit of the economy and community, and for the fairness of all players. I believer that there is no way the user can dispute an offense was committed, under any version, or form of these rules.
Let me also make something clear, disputing this point:
And another points, shops all round lolnet sell cheaper than buymore, for example mynameisbom's shop sells extremely cheap iron couldn't i possibly buy his iron and gain profit ? the same scenario. as the same with spicy_oranges shops.
This is fine and legal. Why? Because MyNamIsBom shop is not infinite, he has a limited supply, and ultimately, you gain money while he loses money. The Supermarket has an infinite supply of money, and items. This means that you could exploit this as much as you want, without the glitch never ending. A users shop will run out, but all you are doing is effectively stealing money from the shop, taking money out of a well that never ends, making the game unfair on the community, on others, and most importantly cheating yourself. You are not here to try and cheat us, the people who run the server, but you are here to accomplish achievements on Minecraft. Minecraft, not beating the Supermarket is the challenge.
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Section 2: Full rebuttal
my friend techniqade has addressed this issue with mod assistants and was replied with a "ill take care of it later"..... that was 2 weeks ago.
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The rules clearly state that you should not exploit it, no matter if you have told someone or not. In addition, the new rules clearly say to report to a Mod or Admin not a Mod Assistant. Further the fact that the sign had not been fixed should have alerted yo to the fact the issue had not been solved, and you should have made a proper /modreq and as a responsible user of the lolnet community, reported it and ensures that it was properly followed up on.
My ban though was stupid,childish and just complete bullsh*t. 14 days ? for finding out a hole in your system reporting it and again nothing was done for it, so I continued to exploit it.
Your ban was for continued defiance of the system. Here is what you claimed:
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2013-01-10 21:02:22 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: lol i didnt earn it i just sold heaps of leaves
2013-01-10 21:03:24 [INFO] Restless issued server command: /tpa ahmedrajeh
2013-01-10 21:03:25 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: lol i didnt earn it i just sold heaps of dirt and leaves
2013-01-10 21:03:37 [INFO] Titan_of_Time issued server command: /bal ahmedrajeh
2013-01-10 21:04:47 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: my mate techniqade told one of the mod assistants he didnt nothing about it
2013-01-10 21:06:11 [INFO] 0zlw issued server command: /warp ahmedrajeh plutojail1
2013-01-10 21:06:18 [INFO] 0zlw issued server command: /jail ahmedrajeh plutojail1
2013-01-10 21:06:30 [INFO] AhmedRajeh issued server command: /tpaccept
2013-01-10 21:06:30 [WARNING] §cAhmedRajeh §4was denied access to command.
2013-01-10 21:06:38 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: 0zlw im tryna talk to you but its not a working
2013-01-10 21:07:02 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: the response time right now is horrible
2013-01-10 21:07:31 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: 0zlw do you have an email i can use i cant properly talk to you here
2013-01-10 21:08:09 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: 0zlw all these messages are delayed
2013-01-10 21:08:28 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: WTF
2013-01-10 21:08:51 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: 0zlw this is not fair you had a hole in your system i took advantage of it
2013-01-10 21:09:04 [INFO] AhmedRajeh issued server command: /bal
2013-01-10 21:09:04 [WARNING] §cAhmedRajeh §4was denied access to command.
2013-01-10 21:09:40 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: no i did not and i bet you 80 percent of the users havent
2013-01-10 21:09:51 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: realise that you guys had a hole in your system
2013-01-10 21:10:00 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: yes i exploited
2013-01-10 21:10:06 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: no doubt
2013-01-10 21:10:14 [INFO] TrollinGeenie issued server command: /whisper AhmedRajeh Go man tell him hes an asshoel
2013-01-10 21:10:33 [INFO] 0zlw issued server command: /eco take ahmedrajeh 300000
2013-01-10 21:10:40 [INFO] [User] AhmedRajeh: no i just want to talk i dont really care about the bane or the reset
2013-01-10 21:10:56 [INFO] 0zlw issued server command: /tempban ahmedrajeh 2w
2013-01-10 21:10:56 [INFO] AhmedRajeh lost connection: user was kicked.
2013-01-10 22:32:27 [INFO] Disconnecting AhmedRajeh [/222.154.17.153:54341]: Temporarily banned from server for 14 days
You can't claim that you've done the right thing and "reported it" and then continue to exploit it. Irrespective of that, the rules clearly say that you can't exploit it, not just that you have to report it.
Your ban was for lack of remorse, and continued defiance of the rules. If you had apologized, not claimed that it was our fault and accepted that you had broken clearly written rules, you would not have been banned and rather jailed. But because you continued to deny you breached the rules you were banned. There is nothing childish or bullshit about this. You clearly broke clearly stipulated rules. The current rules also state at the top in small writing to get you to read it that, you agree to the rules as stated if you play on Lolnet. I see you lodging no objection to the rule on the forums. Further, to your claim that only 80% of the server has read the rules, the old rules got 3142, and the new rules in 6 days have 141 views, not exactly no one seeing them. Further, people may have read them in the info center.
But his bias towards other people on this server has off put me.
In my serving this server as an Admin, I try to ensure that there is a little bias as possible. I make decisions that try to be fair and even handed. If you want to claim this, Please provide some evidence. Further, If I do get it wrong, which sometimes I have, You have the opportunity to have your voice heard on the forums, just like you do now. If you look through the ban appeals, you will see people being given a fair chance, having there concerns aired, and if partially valid responded to. You will also see me reducing the length of peoples bans, or exonerating people, even people I dislike.
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While I would like to thankyou for taking the time to make a Ban Appeal, I request that you respond to the crucial points I have raised, if you wish to follow through with your complaint about me.
I await your carefully considered, and logical reply to all of my critical points raised.
Thankyou,
Administrator 0zlw
