[Denied] Ban appeal

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FeteFatale

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=== Ban Appeal===

---About You---

Username: FeteFatale
Main server you play on: Survival

---About the Punishment---

Punishment issued: Ban
Length of punishment: 40 days?
Reason given in database: Hacked Client: Xray

---Your Appeal---

What you dispute:
I'm using a vanilla Minecraft as bought, downloaded and updated from Mojang
I don't ever use hacked games - I don't even know what Hacked Client: Xray is, I googled it just now and I still don't know what the hell it is, but then as its something that has less than zero interest for me it makes for extremely boring reading and I'm not interested in watching some youtube video about it.

Why do you dispute this/evidence:
I dispute it because it isn't credible - I haven't got anything other that a bog-standard game and I cannot understand why your system - or your staff - thought I was doing anything out of the ordinary, all I was doing was digging boring holes and trying not to get fried in the lava.

Additional details/comments:
Why does your anti-hack system produce false positives?
Or is there something else going on?
 

Kingu

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Re: Ban appeal

Hi there, FeteFatale.

I personally, watched you mine for at least 3 hours real life time (not consistently of course) and your mining habits were, oddly enough, strange. You tended to always look around and head in one specific direction, a clear sign of using a modded client, you then continued on these paths until you looked left or right and mined a few blocks and there were diamond ores behind those blocks. Yet another clear sign of using a modded client, this happened consecutively until you were eventually banned. I had a fellow Moderator come and look at you while you were mining, he saw you mine straight to diamonds and believes you were xraying. After your ban was issued I let a UA come and look at your mines and he too believes you xrayed. I've also looked over the logs and it shows 11 pages of you breaking diamond ore in 24 hours. As for your ban I will let it be, but you are more than welcome to reply to this post and give more reasons why you think you should be unbanned and I may reconsider and reduce your ban, but make sure you have believable proof like I have, this time.

You have 24 hours to reply before this appeal is locked.

Cheers, King.
 

FeteFatale

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Re: Ban appeal

Are you kidding me?

Mining in a straight line is symptomatic of not wanting to get lost, and not wanting to expend too much energy going around in circles. If I were using any cheat that showed me where stuff was it would make more sense to actually branch off to it, rather than cutting lots of straight lines.

I mine in straight lines, one block in from the edge of my claim, and all the way around my claim, at height five.
Then I cut tunnels every third block so I leave two block rows, and cut across every five or so rows so they're interconnected ... there's not many places to hide mineable stuff if there's no hidden blocks, and leaving only two blocks between mineshafts means nothing is hidden.
If I find Diamonds/Redstone/Iron/Gold/Coal/Lapis/Obsidian I mine them - I thought that was the point of the game. If I run into anything interesting - say lava, or a cave system - then I either work around it, or investigate it.

I believe you are basing this ban on your prejudices of how you play the game - for me my mining is always in straight lines, maybe that's a bit too OCD for your liking, but it is not illegal and not against the rules. You cannot have looked at the logs very closely as I haven't been playing for 24 hours. I logged in yesterday only to find Pluto had vanished, and I was in the middle of the damned ocean and drowning - so I logged out. Today I tried again, and swam until I found an island, so that I could port back to spawn. I only then started to look for somewhere to call /home and I spent half my time on the surface and half underground.
Eleven pages of me breaking diamonds is bullsh!t ... I have only about 20 or so diamonds, and have only recently made a diamond pick ... and when you banned me I'd just stumbled on a few more diamonds while I was working my way round a lava obstruction.

This ban is based on zero evidence, and nothing more than your mad hunch that I might be doing something - there's nothing to suggest your hunch is anything other than whatever's going on in your head, and there's no evidence I have anything other than what I've legitimately mined.

If you can provide any evidence of anything I'd love to see it, but I suspect you won't be able to do so.
 

mikhaila666

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Re: Ban appeal

You make a darn good arguement, refuting all accusations, offering up evidence of branch mining, and showing that the moderators have nothing but bias in their thinking and a rush to judgement....

Well, except for a few things:
-They watched you mine, right behind you, and saw you exhibiting all the syptoms of xraying with a hacked cliet.
-They saw you mine towards diamonds and find them time and again. No, not in a straight line.
-They have logs of all the blocks you mine, and can see how many times you mined diamonds.
-They actually brought in other mods to verify what you were doing.
-An explanation of branch mining, or even evidence of branch mining, does not mean you also Xray.

Bart Simpson gets away with yelling "wasn't me, can't prove it". And you sir are no Bart Simpson.
 

FeteFatale

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Re: Ban appeal

Yes, I found diamonds, and probably a few more than would be expected - all that shows is that in a game of random probabilities I got got lucky and won more than usual. However, you're not a Las Vegas casino, and kicking a gambler out and robbing them of their winnings because you don't like that they won a little too much at roulette isn't a viable alternative. This "evidence" amounts to your "feels" and has perfectly rational explanations - but only in my defence, as the prosecution has nothing but rampant speculation that doesn't even amount to circumstantial evidence.

I was kicked just as I found a cache of diamonds under a lake of lava - if your mods were watching me that closely they'd have seen my primary concern was cutting a path through that lake of lava, since it was on the boundary of my claim and I'd invested a lot of effort in cutting a path along my border. It was the last section of border I was completing and I'd had a good run as this was the only obstacle I'd found.

Kingu stated, "you tended to always look around and head in one specific direction, ...", of course I did --- it's called orienting - when I'm not quite certain of which way I'm headed, or if my mouse or game has frozen and I've been shaking the mouse in an effort to unlock it, or if I've had F3 activated and the screen is so full of chat I can't actually see where I'm headed then of course I need to look left and right, as well as up and down, in order to see wtf is my next move.

Mikhaila666 stated, "They have logs of all the blocks you mine, and can see how many times you mined diamonds.", fine .. then you'll agree that Jingu's claim that, "I've also looked over the logs and it shows 11 pages of you breaking diamond ore in 24 hours", is completely without merit. I hadn't been on the server for 24 hours. As I stated I'd logged in the day before for just a few minutes, and I'd been playing - on and off - for about five hours, half an hour looking for a site to build, a few too many in-game days plotting out my claim on the border of the protected zone and the zero meridian ... since it was a convenient number (even then I got it wrong - it was supposed to be 75*80 squares but I managed to make it 76*79), then I spent the next hour building a house, harvesting seed and building a farm. I then dug a staircase to my border, and with a few right turns headed for the floor and striking no obstacles other than a small lake. Once I hit the floor level I excavated a small room, dropped in three boxes (crafting table, furnace, and chest) then headed back to the surface for some mining and exploration. Only then did I start mining seriously, and in the manner outlined above (along the borders, work around lava, digging branches, working coal seams, etc.) ... hardly the 24 hours of 'hard-core' diamond mining Kingu suggested.

Finally: I'm not "Bart Simpson yelling 'wasn't me'", I'm not ten years old, I'm not male, I'm not yellow, and I'm not yelling - although I'm more than a little angry that I have been accused of doing something I haven't done and that I have to prove that I haven't done something that is unprovable. Until this farrago blew up I wasn't even aware that it was possible to 'look though walls' in the manner you've suggested I've been doing. I'm a 50-something year old woman working in IT, but at the 'soft end' of the industry, a volunteer teaching pensioners how to use and get online with the laptops and tablets that their children and grandchildren gave them so that they don't have to visit so often. I don't have the time or inclination to use hacks or scripts to cheat at a game, and cheating at an online game just isn't the sort of thing I do. My major concern in my life right now is caring for my terminally ill mother and I play a little minecraft and a few other games in my downtime - it's an easy game to pause and walk away from if I need to be doing something else. And walk away is something I'm prepared to do, as I've spent more time explaining my gameplay than I have actually spent playing. So here's my suggestion; either stop this nonsense and unban me, or delete my claim and my goodies and perma-ban me because I'm totally over this - I came to lolnet to play (and had been playing on Pluto for 18 months - Neptune just six hours), not to be messed around by a few kids that don't understand that someone doesn't need to cheat to find diamonds or anything else in this game.
 

Kingu

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Re: Ban appeal

FeteFatale said:
Yes, I found diamonds, and probably a few more than would be expected - all that shows is that in a game of random probabilities I got got lucky and won more than usual.
May I remind you that one diamond ore vein generates per chunk, you mined 44 diamonds in 24 hours so that's 44 chunks, chunks are 16 blocks wide and 16 blocks long, your claim is 6000 blocks in size, that is alot of diamond ore finding in a small area and period of time.

I would not have banned you if I did not believe you were xraying, I've been a Moderator since March 2013, and i've learned to know when someone is Xraying and when one is not. And you were.

I have a few points to make:
-You said you were trying to get those diamond ores in that lava lake when I banned you, From what I saw there was no way of knowing those diamonds were down there, lava is obscure and stops you from seeing what is beneath it, there were no broken blocks, no legitmate way of knowing diamonds were down there.
-Having F3 activated does not make it hard to see where you are going, it barely takes up the screen, I can sometimes have F3 on and forget I even have it activated.
- You mention the Logs being false, well i'm sorry to say it, but the logs never lie. You might not remember mining 11 pages of diamond ore in 24 hours but the logs certainly do. You had not been on the server for '6' hours. It was definitely more than that.
-Yes we know you're not Bart Simpson, it was a metaphor. Yes, we do understand you are angry but you have to remember we always have our suspicions when someone is finding diamond ore veins in quick successions, in a small area.

I will let the ban stay as it is and deny this appeal, I will not make it a perm ban. You are welcome to sit and wait the 40 day punishment you were issued or make a ban appeal in the near future, also please do not try to bypass as this will lead to a permanant ban.

-King

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