[Accepted]Banned for using alternative accounts..

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Voxonic

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I play on Lolnet's faction server, WarWorld. Yesterday I was banned for the reason 'Using Additional Accounts To Power Up. Possibly Xraying.' I understand why I was banned for this reason, as I used to play on this server under the IGN of Oxonic, before I brought a Minecraft account (Minecraft account name had to be Voxonic as Oxonic was taken). When playing as Oxonic I was temp banned for boosting with alternative accounts, and I was guilty of that. I haven't used alternative accounts since, and I think that I have been suspected to use alternative accounts due to similar I.P. addresses within my Faction. The reason that the I.P. addresses are similar is because I play Minecraft at school occasionally with friends, and most of them do not play any other time because they are only casual players and only come on if they see me playing; in which case at school. Because we play at school, our I.P.s only vary by about 1 digit in the last section. I can name each player in my faction, and I promise I do not use alternative accounts, but I understand the suspicion as I have been temp banned for using alternative accounts in the past, although it was on a different account. And as for the second reason, ' Possibly Xraying.' I do not Xray. I have an extreme disliking towards people who use this hack or hacked clients in game as it gives a huge unfair advantage to people who aren't willing to put time in to get to the top. But to sum up, I think these ban reasons do not apply to me, and I hope that you can let me back on as I have been playing on Lolnet on off for about a year now, and it would be sad to see the server off.

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Re: Banned for using alternative accounts and possibly xrayi

Hi Voxonic.

I would like to address the xray part of your ban.

The server takes recorders on what you mine/place/etc in minecraft. theses records can be used recreated on your mining path in WarWorld. I have seen them personally and I can say they that your method of mining was as if you knew 100% where the diamond ores were (and other ores) therefore we must conclude that you are using xray based on the evidence. Just to note: Xraying may not include Hacks/mod I know there are more ways.

also you did obtain over 2 stacks in less than 54 minutes.

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Re: Banned for using alternative accounts and possibly xrayi

I can vouch that Spartan_4 and Onete are separate players, also before this Voxonic did mention to me that he plays it from school during his study breaks.
 

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Re: Banned for using alternative accounts and possibly xrayi

his ban is for xray at this point in time
 

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The ban in banmanager has been updated to reflect that the ban is only for Xraying and is not related to using alternative accounts.
 

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Two stacks... I've never had two stacks of diamonds on Lolnet. look in my inventory if you can, I don't have two stacks of diamonds. I don't even think I have a stack. Correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah.

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Also, I've looked through the rules and found nothing on what the consequences for different acts are. Can someone provide a redirect or information for what is grounds for what?
 

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Voxonic said:
Two stacks... I've never had two stacks of diamonds on Lolnet. look in my inventory if you can, I don't have two stacks of diamonds. I don't even think I have a stack. Correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah.

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now you are blatantly lying on your appeal this will not get you very far we have logs of you getting the 2+ stacks of diamonds in less than an hour.
 

Voxonic

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But I'm not lying, look in my inventory, you will find the dimes from that mine (I think), look through my entire faction if you need too. I didn't mine 2 stacks of diamonds, I mined around 50. either 52 or 54, but no where near 128. And that is a promise.
 

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I don't want to argue about any of this, I just want this whole thing to be resolved. I didn't mine two stacks, maybe your log system is wrong or something, can you please just check through my stuff? Or double check the logs even? Two stacks sounds way off the mark.
 

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we cant resolve it....

and the only one arguing is you im stating fact logs don't make mistakes
 

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Alright, you are right. Me arguing/being stubborn is not going to get me anywhere. I was using a hacked client called Nodus, but for very unselfish reasons excluding the most recent event. My basic use for Nodus is freecam, not to look into other people’s bases or anything which most people use freecam for, but to see my own base (sounds like I’m a huge megalomaniac, but its true). I enjoy to see what I build, and it helps me see what would look good and where. But that is beside the point. In this specific event I was lazy and took the easy option as I had seen the X-ray option in the client many times, and I thought what harm could it do. But of course, this is a direct violation of the rules, and I am sincerely sorry. I know now that even the use of freecam is also not allowed due to a recent talk I had with Izaaklol12, and I apologize for my use of that mod as well. I will not use hacked clients or anything of the sort again and I have learnt my lesson. I understand that I need to be punished, but I am asking for my ban to be reduced from a permanent ban to a temporary one as this is my first offence in this matter. I am willing to give back any exploits from this, although I may have trouble doing so as I do not have 2 stacks of diamonds. I know you say the logs state that I mined > 2 stacks of diamonds, and that James137137 said he could recreate my mine path, and this is very conclusive evidence, but I would welcome any mod to look through my items, because despite what the logs say, I simply do not have 2 stacks of diamonds. I understand that this would bring up suspicion that I may have hidden my exploits somewhere, but I haven't. I would like to apologize for the lies and my actions, and would like to compensate for what I did, I just hope that I can be forgiven and able to play again as Lolnet is my favorite server and I have been a member for almost a year now.

Sorry and thank you,
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I do not Xray. I have an extreme disliking towards people who use this hack or hacked clients in game as it gives a huge unfair advantage to people who aren't willing to put time in to get to the top.

Nice lies.

You do realize, that after getting a ban, lies and arguing just make you look worse? Only admitting to your lies after it's been proven to you that you are caught isn't much of an admission.

And knock off the [email protected]#. I was using a hacked client called Nodus, but for very unselfish reasons excluding the most recent event.

Its against the rules. You did it anyway. It was for absolutely selfish reasons. You're only regret is you got caught using it. Time to pull a dictionary, and look up the words selfish, hypocrit, and irony
 

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I know lies and arguing make it worse, but it's my first appeal and I wasn't sure whether trying to disprove the allegations or owning up would be more successful. Not an excuse for it, but still. And that second quote is very true, I came back to Lolnet after a few months only a few weeks ago, new faction, new base, new build etc. In that time I haven't raided a fully-fledged base once, and have also declined to become a part of a faction war between EvolutionX and Spartans. And also, if I was a consistent user of exploits, why is my faction so weak? The only wealth I have is in building, and to which extent is because I'm good with lava. And my last point, I have been looking through ban appeals for X-raying/use of hacked clients. Almost all people in similar positions to me (use of hacked clients/x-ray) have temporary bans of about 3-4 months or similar. A friend of mine who goes by the IGN of Onete was banned for X-raying in the past for only 7 days by James137137. I am not trying to get off Scott free, I’m only asking for a fair punishment and understanding.

P.S. Out of almost all of the Ban appeals on here, I would also like to point out that I have some of the best consistency in vocab and grammar. I know my ban appeal is hypocritical and ironic, but it comes down to point of view as to whether I'm selfish or not. You don't know me, you don't know my morals and the way I play. So to call me selfish because you don’t believe that I use Nodus for the reasons I stated, and to imply that I exploit constantly is stereo-typing and can also be seen as Abuse.
 

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Actually, no. My use for Nodus was selfish, and my use of the word is incorrect, as using freecam to see my own base was for self-gain. The correct word I should be using is probably harm. My use of Nodus to see my own base is of no harm to anyone, and does not allow the base to gain in strength, size, etc. So I apologize for my rebuttal, and I guess you're going to call me up for irony and being a hypocrite again.
 

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But, to imply that that I use exploits commonly and for bad reasons is still stereo-typical.
 

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I know lies and arguing make it worse, but it's my first appeal and I wasn't sure whether trying to disprove the allegations or owning up would be more successful.

Meaning, you didn't think about what the right thing to do was, just what was going to get you the 'win'.

Life doesn't work like that. You're playing with people, not some computer generated script. Lolnet values honesty and owning up for your mistakes. You should have been able to see that in the other ban appeals.
 

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Exactly. I was thinking about the win.

You're only regret is you got caught using it.

You say I regret getting caught, of course I do. Isn't that why everyone appeals? Everyone doesn't regret what they do, they regret having to go through the consequences. But during the act, no. They don't regret it until they are caught, and its then which causes people to appeal and apologize. You don't see people apologizing because they did something wrong when they weren't caught. If they weren’t caught they wouldn't have stopped what they were doing, whether it was abuse, hacking, or being a plain annoyance. The reason I owned up then and not the beginning is because I looked through the ban appeals.

Lolnet values honesty and owning up for your mistakes

I understand that. I saw that almost all successful ban appeals end with the banned player owning up and taking his punishment, and that's why I wrote out my very hypocritical, very ironic message.

I know you say the logs state that I mined > 2 stacks of diamonds, and that James137137 said he could recreate my mine path, and this is very conclusive evidence, but I would welcome any mod to look through my items, because despite what the logs say, I simply do not have 2 stacks of diamonds.

If I hadn't read through previous ban appeals and see that honesty wins out, I would have followed this point, because it shows a small flaw in the logs system, which, if I followed, could show flaw in the system which shows me as guilty and have the punishment removed (if I was extremely lucky). Does this not show that I have seen Lolnet values honesty? Again, this is just another plea which you will see as me only being 'regretful' and 'sorry' because I got caught. But I say again that you do not see people posting apologies about what they haven't been caught for. But even after that message you have criticized me for the one thing you have said Lolnet values; being honest. Although I understand as I did not own up in the first place. But in that message, everything I said was truthful, and you have ignored my major points and disregarded ones you don't believe due to a stereo-typical outlook to those who use hacked clients.

My basic use for Nodus is freecam, not to look into other people’s bases or anything which most people use freecam for, but to see my own base

This is true, and it directly relates to the following quote;

if I was a consistent user of exploits, why is my faction so weak? The only wealth I have is in building, and to which extent is because I'm good with lava.

You claim this is BS. How is it BS? There is no proof that I use freecam to exploit or raid, as my faction is so much weaker than it would be if i used the client for what it is widely expected to be used for. I understand why you would expect me to use this to exploit and why you would expect this statement to be untrue, as I have lied on this appeal once, what is to say I won't lie again? But the fact is that there is nothing which shows I have used this exploit to raid or in a way which would harm fellow players, and i know that i haven't as i have not taken part in a raid during my return to Lolnet.

I understand that I need to be punished, but I am asking for my ban to be reduced from a permanent ban to a temporary one as this is my first offense in this matter

Almost all people in similar positions to me (use of hacked clients/x-ray) have temporary bans of about 3-4 months or similar. A friend of mine who goes by the IGN of Onete was banned for X-raying in the past for only 7 days by James137137. I am not trying to get off Scott free, I’m only asking for a fair punishment and understanding.

You are also ignoring these points. I am not asking to be let off, I am asking for a fair punishment and an unbiased look on my situation. I know lying makes any outlook on what I say a skeptical one, but a permanent ban for something which is smaller than others exploits who have been given a temporary ban does not seem fair to me.

I am sorry for using hacks, but I feel that my ban time is unfair and only permanent due to the major part of my original ban; Boosting power with alternative accounts. In other circumstances, I would accept my permanent ban as in the rules it says that using a hacked client is grounds for a permanent ban, yet I have seen many ban appeals for use of hacked clients in which people are appealing to have there 3-4 month ban removed or reduced, yet I have been given a permanent ban for an offense which is actually smaller than offenses seen in these ban appeals.
 

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topic locked until a vanilla admin can look at it

Cheers Dez
 

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Just to correct the statistic about 2 stacks of diamonds. The logs reflect the user mined 51 diamond ores in WarWorld in a time period of about 0.33 hours (About 20 minutes).

In relation to the User's ban, due to the nature of this being his first recorded offence, and in light of comparison to the way other xraying offenses have been treated, I have replaced the permanent ban with a 14 day temporary ban. This will mean the user will have received and overall 20 day ban. The user will also have a permanent ban from the current warworld.
 
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